All's fair in lies and war
by Capt. Fogg
What a great thing it is that Joe Lieberman never found his way into the White House.
used and if that were the case an exception would always be made. No victim of US torture whether at Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo or in our secret dungeons anywhere has ever had any remote connection with a nuclear plot and much of the extracted information has been dangerously false.
Lieberman I'm afraid, is just another scare monger and panic pimp for the fascists who have taken over our government. What we have used it for has been to develop a case for having arrested someone. As John Stewart pointed out the other night, we tried and executed Japanese officers who waterboarded prisoners and in fact we did attack Japan and we did nuke them and the torture was done in the name of avoiding their destruction.
It's just another way for pious, Sabbath observing Lieberman to express his sense of America's divine purpose to dominate; a purpose which transcends the morality of the religion he flaunts. It's just another case of his and the administration's opinion that whatever we do is OK because we, like the Japanese and the Germans, are at war. We're at war with anybody we pick up on the street for any reason. We're at war with anyone we say we're at war with and anyone who talked to anyone or might talk to someone or sent an e-mail to his uncle Al Schneider in Al Abama.
Terrorists terrorists! We're at war! and if freedom and justice and sanity and our very humanity gets trampled in the panic, so much the better. Isn't it time we started calling them what they have always been - fascists? Secretly examining all our e-mail, our faxes, our phone calls and torturing us if they "think" we might know something or someone, and punishing us if we object - it's terrorism - It's Fascism what the hell else do you call it? Isn't it time we had the kind of guts Keith Olbermann shows; time to stop being the mewling cowards we're told to be and call them what they are?
Cross posted from Human Voices
What a great thing it is that Joe Lieberman never found his way into the White House.
"We have to allow the president to allow the toughest measures to be used when there is an imminent threat to our country,"he said yesterday.
"If we've got somebody that we think can tell us where a nuclear bomb is planted in an American city, then I want the president to be able to authorize that to be used."Of course that's not the circumstance under which it has been used or is likely to be
used and if that were the case an exception would always be made. No victim of US torture whether at Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo or in our secret dungeons anywhere has ever had any remote connection with a nuclear plot and much of the extracted information has been dangerously false.Lieberman I'm afraid, is just another scare monger and panic pimp for the fascists who have taken over our government. What we have used it for has been to develop a case for having arrested someone. As John Stewart pointed out the other night, we tried and executed Japanese officers who waterboarded prisoners and in fact we did attack Japan and we did nuke them and the torture was done in the name of avoiding their destruction.
It's just another way for pious, Sabbath observing Lieberman to express his sense of America's divine purpose to dominate; a purpose which transcends the morality of the religion he flaunts. It's just another case of his and the administration's opinion that whatever we do is OK because we, like the Japanese and the Germans, are at war. We're at war with anybody we pick up on the street for any reason. We're at war with anyone we say we're at war with and anyone who talked to anyone or might talk to someone or sent an e-mail to his uncle Al Schneider in Al Abama.
Terrorists terrorists! We're at war! and if freedom and justice and sanity and our very humanity gets trampled in the panic, so much the better. Isn't it time we started calling them what they have always been - fascists? Secretly examining all our e-mail, our faxes, our phone calls and torturing us if they "think" we might know something or someone, and punishing us if we object - it's terrorism - It's Fascism what the hell else do you call it? Isn't it time we had the kind of guts Keith Olbermann shows; time to stop being the mewling cowards we're told to be and call them what they are?
Cross posted from Human Voices
posted by Libby Spencer at 12:10 PM
6 Comments:
Well said Fogg, and wasn't that one of KO's best commentaries? I run kind of hot and cold with him, but he hit it out of the ballpark with this one.
It's refreshing to see someone almost 1% as angry as I am about neo-fascism in America.
We should have impeached and imprisoned the lot of them years ago and we still should - but it's not their fault, it's our fault for clicking our heels and saluting every time they wave the flag; voting for them every time they chant taxtaxtax and for letting them invoke the bogeyman without question.
We either vote every single Republican out of office, lock up the bulk of them or perish. I see no other outcome.
A few of the Dems need to go too Fogg. They're GOP in disguise.
If we are indeed in a war against terrorism then we are losing for we seem to be more like them now, than they are like us.
Further, if they hate us because of our freedoms, as our simpleton president so simply put it, then they shouldn't hate us as much.
People who torture prisoners don't do it to gather information, they do it because they can. They do it because their leaders are without honor or moral compass and feel than any means are justifiable when the ends are secret.
You would think that when that stuffed shirt Cheney and his drunken frat-boy buddy decided to act out their favorite movies they would have chosen to play the roles of Errol Flynn and Alan Hale. It's strange that they chose instead to be on the other side.
Well said Jim. They do it because they can and because we let them.
Those that hate us, hate us for our power and the way we use it. When I say "our" power of course, I mean the military and economic and political power that operate together independently of very much democratic influence . This entire enterprise has been engineered to increase that power and to decrease theirs - and ours.
Unfortunately the media have another school shooting to chew on and even less attention will be paid to the machinery of autocracy being set in place.
And yes Libby, there are Democrats who need to walk the plank too. I get tired of dividing it all into Liberal and Conservative or left and right when it's really about which flavor of authoritarianism we're being asked to pick.
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