Sunday, July 15, 2007

Kristolizations

By Libby

We're treated to double dose of Kristol clownery this morning. One can almost smell the skunk of our cowardly con's sweaty terror as he Kristolizes the facts in defense of his failed surge theory. It's not even worth quoting his latest tautology. You get the feeling he doesn't believe his own banal sloganery anymore and his heart's just not in it.

He's reduced to the same old tired out taunting. Defeatists aren't serious about security and anybody who doesn't agree that creating a region-wide human slaughterhouse in the Middle East is a great idea, hates America and that for which she stands. Which by the way, in Kristolonia would be corporate profits.

Willie musters up a bit more enthusiasm for his companion piece, a defense of the Bush presidency. Here he takes us on a tour of Kristolonia's famed What If Forest where Medicare D is a rousing success, beloved by all senior citizens, and George the Great courageously slews the evil hordes of demons, bringing peace and prosperity to all the lands. No wonder these neo-cons prefer to construct their own reality. It sounds like a much prettier place than the world the rest of us live in.

Update: Anonymous Liberal looks back and recalls the glory days of Kristol's confidence.

[cross-posted to The Reaction]

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Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

America lives in a world of mythology: spirits and gods and mystical supernatural things and events. Once you enter that twilight zone, you're prey to everything that lives there, like Krazy Kristol and St. George of Crawford.

11:39:00 AM  
Blogger Donald Douglas said...

His failed surge theory? The interim Iraq assessment reports mixed results. Corporate profits? Talk about hatred. No amount of improvement would satisfy the left. It's all name-calling, like I've repeatedly indicated. But my, I'm overwhelmed with the comments over here. I've linked a couple of times to your posts. Perhaps a couple curious readers will wander your way.

11:49:00 AM  
Blogger Libby Spencer said...

Fogg, there are many days I wish I could step into their fantasy world. It's looks like it's so much easier than dealing with reality and you never have to really think. You're only required to "believe."

12:28:00 PM  
Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

It's all name calling, from the man who can't say anything but "I'm right and you're wrong because you're angry"

All this from a two bit associate professor at the University of nowhere - a "pro victory" associate professor, that is, who supports any and all military endeavors from the safety of some ratty university office.

Everybody is "hard left" including multimillionaire capitalists - and why, because a nebulous and inapposite accusation doesn't require anything but the malice and jealousy that produce it.

1:36:00 PM  
Blogger Libby Spencer said...

Well said, as always Fogg. It reminds me of that time, a couple of years ago when Jesse was still at Pandagon and he organized "blog like the wingnut" day.

Easiest day of blogging I ever had. No thinking, just linking with a few meaningless declarative statements thrown in to make it look real.

2:08:00 PM  
Blogger Donald Douglas said...

Two-bit Associate Professor? Hey Fogg, is that all you've got? I'd be glad to get back to substance, if you're game. There's none in Libby's post, though, just a bunch of slurs against those evil neocons.

In any event, I mentioned over here last night that your reading of Burke is mistaken. A quick little encyclopedic quote certainly wasn't helpful. There's not even the need to refer to my library of political philosphy: The Burke entry at Wikipedia laid bare the error of your claims.

Look, I'm more than willing to admit when I don't know something (that's how one learns). Yet over here, the ignorance of Burke or Machiavelli passes as knowledge in the lefty "reality." Cognitive dissonance? Yep, came to the right place! I think my comments actually lighten up Libby a bit. Otherwise they'd be deleted. True trolls aren't tolerated, and are quickly dispatched into the cyberspace unknown. It's easy and fun attacking what you hate (and what you don't understand). So on it goes...

2:25:00 PM  
Blogger Donald Douglas said...

"No thinking, just linking with a few meaningless declarative statements thrown in to make it look real."

That's a great self-analysis, Libby. Your impeachment update demonstrates the point. How about that link to Mercury Rising? No thinking there - just a quick hyperlink, and voila, you're ideology's confirmed! At least they actually lay out a substantive case, easily refuted though it may be.

2:30:00 PM  
Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

Excuse me, I should have said junior college instructor, not professor. I don't claim to be a historian, nor am I here to argue history or follow you down any of your rabbit holes.

There is no substance to any of your claims or beliefs or fantasies about hatred any more than there is about the impeachability of Bush not shared by constitutional scholars or the success of his Iraq "strategy" which has already risen to a high level in the annals of idiotic military blunders.

It is indeed about the name calling you began in your first post, along with the inventive categorizations and straw filled stereotypes that constitute the bluster you pass off as discourse.

Are you really trying to dismiss me as some jealous petit bourgeois dust-mite, instructor don? Do they make dunce caps in your size?

You have zero credibility and even less authority and you can condescend all you like. The spectacle of being lectured to by some toad in the cistern of delusion and dishonesty is well worth the price of admission.

2:51:00 PM  
Blogger Donald Douglas said...

Oh, Fogg. To think that you indulge me as much as you do! You say:

"I don't claim to be a historian, nor am I here to argue history..." I should say not! Why be precise on historical detail when you can mount these illegible non-sequiturs? You say, for example:

"There is no substance to any of your claims or beliefs or fantasies about hatred any more than there is about the impeachability of Bush not shared by constitutional scholars or the success of his Iraq "strategy" which has already risen to a high level in the annals of idiotic military blunders."

I don't know the first post to which you're referring. I see though that you've visited my page. No guts to leave a comment, I can surmise.

I'll say it again -- just facts, no name-calling -- it's all Bush-hatred over here. Attempt to belittle all you want. Heard before, you know -- it just rolls right off. I love the steam and bluster though! I'll invite you again to actually rebut my points successfully. History is pretty important, as is political philosophy. Or is that too yesterday, buddy!

Is there anyone else over here who can help you? This is too easy, and Libby's obviously not up to it!

3:41:00 PM  
Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

Blow, winds, and crack your cheeks! rage! blow!

Anyway ergo vos estis soli homines et vobiscum morietur sapientia. No doubt at all, perfessor.

You're right as rain. All hate it is and of course the anger has nothing to do with the antics of the subject because if you admit that, you have no argument, just as you have no defense for Bush's offenses but to ignore them, aber Scheiße bleibt Scheiße lieber Herr, even if you can't smell it.

While you're on a roll, I suggest you drop by the B'nai Brith website and tell them their hate for Hitler isn't valid because they hate Hitler. I'm sure they aren't bright enough to spot that ripe bit of carrion sophistry and don't forget to impress them with your credentials.

Events will be what they will be and if you're determined to be like the last Frenchman left alive at Dien Bien Phu with your flag waving and sanguine delusions and gross inability to see that you've lost. Nobody cares. I'm sure you'll be able to blame the tragedy on the "lefties" no matter what happens.

And don't talk to me about guts and victory, Maho Baho. People are dying by the thousands and millions are homeless and maimed and hopeless while you're out on the beach trying to look macho. They take men in their 40's now. Sign up or shut up.

He that has a little tiny wit,
With hey, ho, the wind and the rain,
Must make content with his fortunes fit,
Though the rain it raineth every day.

5:12:00 PM  
Blogger Donald Douglas said...

Hey Fogg! I was going to ignore your latest put downs, which roll down me like flicks of saltwater on sunscreen. Any time I've deflected your wimpy, posturing ripostes, you've ignored substance to hide in the welcoming bliss of ignorance. Yet, I decided to click comment to have you think a bit - in the hope of hopes - about the comparison your making between Bush and Hitler. Classic lefty tactic, right? Bush is the evil fascist of the age, the new fuehrer! That is so passe, God man! Where's the millions dead, eh? The cattle cars? The camps and ovens? The clouds of ashes? The SS henchmen? The totalitarian one-party state? I imagine, in your hatred of America, it's easy to equate the liberation of Iraq from decades of tyranny on an identical level as the Nazi holocaust. That's beneath despicable and demeaning - it's the ultimate disgusting manifestation of your descent into devilish ideology. It lowers the bar of evil, your Bush/fascist analogy, and condescends to historical memory. It's just shameful and sickening. That's enough said. You don't bother me in the least! You're nothing, and your views are the ultimate in loathsome. God save you, son!

12:16:00 AM  
Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

But of course I didn't actually post about Hitler or compare Bush to him, but rather about your core thesis that the facts can be ignored when those giving you the facts are angry about them. The mention of the B'nai Brith was of course a bit of reductio and served nicely to illustrate the absurdity of your proposition. This is where I get to say QED.

You haven't deflected that, you haven't addressed that. You haven't been able to answer about the obviously false proposition that Bush cannot be impeached and in fact you haven't done anything but repeat that I'm angry.

We've had so much of the sound and fury from you that I think the "tale told by an idiot" part is apparent to all.

The attempt at metaphor is very nice, but keep your day job - such as it is.

Have a nice day.

8:57:00 AM  
Blogger Donald Douglas said...

You're a fake, Fogg. Impeachment? You've never made a case for it, nor mentioned any causes for drawing up the articles. Edmund Burke? You've nicely forgotten about him, and how you pointed the arrows of Burke's opposition the wrong way (it was King George III he challenged with his support of the colonies). The mystical world of Kristol and Bush 43? You haven't rebutted my point on the mixed results of the interim assessment, a report that has absolutely zero impact on the course of the mission at present. No, your game is to descend into America-bashing and some deeply ugly anti-Semitism. Nice try on backtracking from your last hasty and ill-considered post above. There's no hiding it, however: You're sick. Your puerile efforts to turn the tables - mostly marked by incoherent gibberish, and some unintelligible and obscure languages- are proving more futile with each attempt. You'd certainly be better served by Googling the facts which elude you rather than my academic crendentials. Then again, if you had any of your own worth a non-foggy mention, perhaps you wouldn't need to.

10:21:00 AM  
Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

OH professor! Oh my! Are we now full of stereotype loaded, name-calling hate? Seems so, but I knew all along that the suave, cool, condescending facade was as thin as pond scum. Yes, you harlots of the hard right are all about hate - how about that?

Too bad you can't or won't read anything I said, but there no need to make stuff up like this even if you are positively seething with righteous Republican, pro-victory anger.

* Bush bashing and douglas bashing is not America Bashing. I will defend this country from any enemy foreign or domestic or California. Nice try.

*Shalom, shithead. I'm a Jew. Nice try with the anti-Semite stereotype.

*If your swill about "interim assessment" has no relevance, as you say, why the hell should I offer a formal rebuttal?

*You still won't accept that the president can indeed be impeached and all I have from you on that point is gibberish and evasiveness and counter-attack and not facts. That's where this began and that's where it has ended; with a temper tantrum from daddy-o don with a small d and that rhymes with B and that stands for bullshit.

*nobody gives a shit about Edmund Burke. It's about impeachment, dummy.

*German, Latin and Sanskrit are not unintelligible to the intelligent, nor is Shakespeare puerile. Go ahead and make a virtue out of your lack of education. Reiner Eifersucht - pure jealosy. We could try some Chinese too if that makes you feel more educated.

*Backtrack? Sorry - nice try. It's called reductio ad absurdum. You asserted that in a hate filled place like this, the anti-administration rhetoric could not be credited because of the anger it came from and therefore Bush must be OK. Idiotic, I know, but that's what you said.

So here's the deal, don. If that were true, then we could say that Hitler can't rightly be criticized by Jews because we Jews hate him. Reductio - Get it, Einstein?

All the other things you bring up to evade any riposte is pure diversion - an attempt to steer things to your home court and away from the shaky ground you're on with your moribund defense of the Administration.

Even Faux news is turning against Bush's war, and NATO warns that we are losing Afghanistan. What good is a formal rebuttal under the circumstances and when is a rebuttal ever accepted by a butt-head? (hey, you started it, daddy-o)

So again, if you love this war so much, and if you're so courageous and pro-victory, why are you here?

"Then again, if you had any of your own worth a non-foggy mention, perhaps you wouldn't need to."

What a sentence! Maybe you should add English to your "must learn" list hau, bu hau?

Take your Burke and your smirk and go enlist, you jerk.

1:54:00 PM  
Anonymous lester said...

this war pitted the libertarians and paleo cons (Bob Novak, Pat Buchanan) against the neo cons. well, I don't think pat is regretting "whose war?" or any of his other classic columns thruoghout this conflict. MSNBC practicly has him chained to that seat, he's on like every hour. Meanwhile, kristol and co can't be on c span for 5 minutes without someone calling them a chickenhawk or traitor in the first two calls. and it's going to get much much worse for them.

4:56:00 PM  

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