Thursday, January 10, 2008

What's a Michigan Dem to do?

By Libby

The Michigan primary is in a weird state of limbo on the Democratic side. They appear to the only state that screwed around with their primary date that is suffering some sort of punishment from their party. At this point, Hillary is the only major candidate appearing on the ballot and there's a push among the other candidates' supporters to get people to go out and vote for uncommitted in order to preserve some relevancy.
If "uncommitted" draws at least 15 percent of the vote in a congressional district, delegates not bound to any candidate could be sent to the national convention, possibly enabling Obama and Edwards supporters to play a role in the nomination.

"You can't afford not to vote in Michigan," Levin said. "It's critically important to vote to have impact on the delegates going to (the national party convention)."

On the other hand, the GOP are running a full slate and have not been penalized so Romney is looking to restore his credibility there and McCain is hoping to build some mo with another win. There's also an element among the Dems who are suggesting that Democrats cross over to screw around with the GOP results.

The whole thing is quite a mess but I'm inclined to go with the cross over theory. Hillary doesn't have strong support in the state and I believe the uncommitteds will win even without a huge turnout while the Dems have a real opportunity to influence who the opponent will ultimately be.

I've seen some talk of Dems voting for Huckabee to embarrass the Republicans but Huck scares me as much as Romney disgusts me and Huck's rising national numbers are nothing to toy with. I still think the Dems should cross over but I think they should vote for Ron Paul. That would really scare the GOPers and would keep Ron Paul in the race, which I still think is a good thing in order to keep the dialogue open.


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Anonymous Anonymous said...

You should be voting for Ron Paul to win your civil liberties back. Do you agree with a judge saying the following about the new IMBRA law that forces American men to be background checked before being allowed to say hello to a foreign woman on an internationally oriented dating site?:

"There is no fundamental liberty interest in an American contacting a foreigner".

The Democrats support his law and others because the NOW and other radical feminist groups endorses it.

The rise of the victim feminists in the Democratic Party is also seen in how they agree with the evangelists now in banning pornography (see COPA law which would devastate free speech in addition to that industry if it gets upheld in the courts).

Now that the Democratic Party is controlled by people who do not believe in civil liberties (because they believe in putting the "safety" of women and children first, just like Hitler did as policy), there is no choice but to campaign for Ron Paul this year.

1:16:00 PM  
Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

I'm not sure that a President, by himself, has any ability to influence such things unless we are lucky enough to have some more Supreme Court openings in the nest term.

Still, I share your alarm and anger at the erosion of liberty in the name of safety.

2:39:00 PM  
Blogger Libby Spencer said...

Well anon, I like a lot of what RP has to say but I don't agree with everything. In fact the differences are wide enough to keep me from endorsing him, but I feel that way about all the candidates. I don't like anyone enough to endorse with enthusiam.

2:42:00 PM  
Blogger sgifford said...

I agree there is no point to voting in the Democratic primary, since the delegates will not be seated. But whether you decide to vote for Uncommitted, vote in the Republican primary, or just stay home, please let the Democratic National Committee and your state legislators know how upset you are about this fiasco of a primary. I've put together some information on who to contact at

11:50:00 PM  
Blogger Libby Spencer said...

Good site Scott. I'll give you a plug at the DetNews.

6:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Uncommitted needs every vote it can get. If uncommitted wins, it'll be big news and very damaging to Clinton's campaign. Uncommitted is also a vote for Edwards and/or Obama. Vote Uncommitted on Tuesday! Take nothing for granted!

12:07:00 PM  
Blogger Libby Spencer said...

I agree that it would be good for Hill to lose but do you really think that Hillary will win over uncommitted? I don't see it in Detroit. I think the Dems could do as well to influence the GOP side.

8:37:00 AM  
Blogger Kathy said...

Libby, I wouldn't count Hillary out. The Governor and some other high profile politicians in Michigan are backing her. I'm voting uncommitted to send the Dems the message that Hillary is not my choice for the nomination. (Edwards is!).

5:30:00 PM  
Blogger Libby Spencer said...

Hey Kathy. It seems both you and MW think I'm on the wrong track with this so I probably am but I expect there's no harm done. Nobody listens to me anyway.

6:52:00 PM  
Blogger Kathy said...

You're too self-deprecating. I always weigh what you have to say on important issues because I value your opinion.

3:17:00 PM  
Blogger Libby Spencer said...

As I do yours Kathy.

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