The Coming Civil War - Updated
This is a really interesting read. David Brin posts A rant about stupidity... and the coming civil war.... Read it all but here's a couple key grafs.
[Direct link.]This isn't just a warning to Obama. These people hate us liberals and generic Democrats too. If they take to the streets with all those guns they're stockpiling, they'll be shooting anybody who supports change they don't believe in. Not a comforting thought when you're living in the midst of these "patriots." More details about this video at SPLC.
Update: Yet more violent ideation simmering in the hinterlands.
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Obviously, this is blatantly the agenda of Murdoch and Limbaugh and their foreign backers, since they do not even offer their own measures or agenda for deliberative negotiation with the party and president chosen by the American majority. They never even try to assert that any tangible improvements in national health occurred during their long tenure in power. Indeed, can you name any effective accomplishment -- consistently pursued and unambiguously achieved -- other than to push America toward Civil War? [...]You don't often see an intellectual lefty talking about revolution like this. And make no mistake. He's right when he says the right wing media is fomenting civil war. This sort of threat is becoming all too common and it's escalating daily.
But all right, Rush and Rupert and Sean and Glenn and Tafik. Go ahead. Push hard enough to finally wake up the real United States -- the "Blue America" that seems all mushy because it always tries reason first. The citified sophisticates who have, for generations, sent vast net-flows of their taxes toward the red counties that then bit that generous hand with rants about the "decadent cities..." even though those cities have proved to be more moral, by far.[...]
Remember what finally happened almost a century and a half ago, Rush. Pushed too far, and as a last resort, those "decadent" Americans rose up. They donned that color blue and wore it proudly to defend the Union -- and the dream -- with their very lives.
[Direct link.]This isn't just a warning to Obama. These people hate us liberals and generic Democrats too. If they take to the streets with all those guns they're stockpiling, they'll be shooting anybody who supports change they don't believe in. Not a comforting thought when you're living in the midst of these "patriots." More details about this video at SPLC.
Update: Yet more violent ideation simmering in the hinterlands.
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Labels: dangerous idiots, politics, Wingnuts
posted by Libby Spencer at 5:17 PM
9 Comments:
Interesting. I have had many discussions about the "coming civil war" with friends. I think it scares the crap out of the corporate GOPers -- people in the throes of rebellion aren't exactly the best consumers. So while the GOP and Limbaugh and Fox et al may stoke the fires of rebellion to further divide the country (divide and conquer being their agenda), I don't know that "civil war" per se is their aim.
But I could be wrong. Seems like they are scaring themselves as they look under the rock that is their base.
Crap. Now I'm all confused. Isn't their anger my fault for being a typical lefty "too cool for school" elitist, and not bothering to address their concerns in direct political terms?
Sorry, Libby. I am not ranting at you. I'm just still a little disconcerted by the "Ignore at your own risk" quote.
In an unrelated matter, I like that photo of you where you did the spontaneous fingertip combustion trick. Very cool fiat lux witch-fu. Hey! When it's pitchfork 'n' torch time, you can light our torches for us.
I don't know SoBeale. These are the same people who promoted war without end and made wedge politics the core of their success. Whatever their motives, I'm not sure they actually realize the rage is taking on a life of its own that they won't be able to stop.
LOL Larkspur on lighting the torches. Not sure I can still do that trick. :)
And again, I don't think that other quote was saying that we should address the concerns of the crazies. If you read in context of the two posts, I think he's saying we should treat it as a more of serious threat than just an amusing side show. And I think the "creative class" dig was aimed at A-list lefties that tend to dismiss them as the latter.
I think the biggest effect of this sort of talk from rwnj's is to scare a lot of moderates into moving left.
A few of them will commit atrocities, but it's important to remember that these crazies are a very small portion of the population.
Timothy McVeigh thought his actions would instigate a revolution. He was wrong for the same reasons these nuts are wrong. They are mad, and they are dangerous, but not in the way that they think. They are far to small in numbers to be that dangerous.
In other words, there will be no civil war, and on January 20, 2017, President Obama will have shown himself to be just an average, perhaps, slightly better than average President.
The wing-nuts will still be armed, the next president will still be the leader of the free world, and the Democrats will still be in the majority, because a surprising large percentage of this country is still not nuts. A lot of them aren't too bright, but they're not nuts.
The right-wing media, militia groups and the Republican Party will still be playing the role of the boogy-man, while the Democrats are providing health care reform and slowing getting us back to economic recovery.
The rwnj's are pushing moderates to the left.
Hope you're right about that Kev.
Do they really want to stake their lives on the assumption that liberals don't own or use guns?
And that we will not protect ourselves and our loved ones?
And a misguided assumption that is.
It's a dangerous assumption to make. Of course, in my case, I don't own a gun and if I did, I'm not sure I could shoot somebody even in self defense. Easier to imagine doing it to defend, say my grandson though.
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