Tuesday, September 25, 2007

Moving On

By Libby

The wingers are apparently determined to make the MoveOn ad their life's work but two can play that game. Naomi Wolf looks at the kerfluffle and see somes disturbing historical parallels between the calls to silence the citizenry and the rise of fascism in other regimes. If you can read her post and still call me a wacky conspiracy theorist for suggesting we're on the road to a police state, I can only suggest you get thee to an optometrist because you're clearly never going to be able to read the signs until you get your vision corrected.

Meanwhile, Brent has a suggestion for all those Bush Dog Democrats who thought it was just jolly to condemn free speech. He's proposed they move on a resolution that I can condone spending time on. It actually does something to support the troops instead of the White House agenda. They should try it. They might find it better fare than the fetid scraps the GOP tosses to them.

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Blogger LeftLeaningLady said...

I WISH I saw you as a wacky conspiracy theorist. I WISH I thought you were crazy. I WISH you were crazy. Sadly, we are on our way to a police state. Why doesn't everyone see it? My 18yo son refused to register to vote because he figures next year's elections are never going to happen. Sad sad world. I am going to spread this post (and the links on it) as far as I can. (Which isn't very far, but I can try!)

2:20:00 PM  
Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

I think we've been flirting with Police statehood since at least the 1930's but that doesn't make our current situation less frightening.

I think all democracies fail toward the right - toward police states and fighting like hell is the only way to keep our metaphorical finger in the dike.

Tell him to register anyway - we need all the votes we can get.

4:42:00 PM  
Blogger Libby Spencer said...

Thanks LLL.

Fogg - you're right of course, but it's never felt so possible since I've been alive.

7:48:00 PM  
Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

It may indeed be more possible for several reasons. We certainly went through periods like the 1930's when police were cracking heads without much restraint and we had the government locking up Japanese Americans without charges in the 40's and we had the McCarthy witch hunts in the 50's and the police riots in the 60's and we had Nixon in the early 70's with his illegal surveillance and enemies lists; his burglaries and arson in the name of law and order.

The differences today are in surveillance technology and in propaganda technology. It's easier to spy without probable cause, to arrest without charges, to keep it quiet and to convince us that we need to submit to it.

The scariest bit of course is that being caught doesn't lead to impeachment or forced resignation any more. We have a government that simply declares their lawbreaking legal by executive fiat - and we are convinced that it's OK.

That there is so little protest scares me too.

10:03:00 AM  
Blogger Libby Spencer said...

That's really the scary part Fogg. Was it you that noticed the connection between the 9/11 generation and the lack of protest about the destruction of civil rights among young people.

They're subjected to random drug sweeps, metal detectors and other invasions of privacy from the time they're 12 or so, then 9/11 came and they don't know anything except gov't intrusion so they think it's normal.

Scary indeed.

7:31:00 AM  

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