The Debate
This pretty much sums it up.
Obama clearly won. I believe this was at the end, when they were leaving the table. McCain appeared to be having some kind of cognitive spasm. He knew he blew it and he eventually spit out his congratulations to Obama, seemingly against his will. I can't wait for the YouTubes tomorrow. [graphic via The GOS]
Update: Thanks to the commenters, here's another angle.
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Obama clearly won. I believe this was at the end, when they were leaving the table. McCain appeared to be having some kind of cognitive spasm. He knew he blew it and he eventually spit out his congratulations to Obama, seemingly against his will. I can't wait for the YouTubes tomorrow. [graphic via The GOS]
Update: Thanks to the commenters, here's another angle.
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Labels: Election 08, McCain, Obama
posted by Libby Spencer at 2:03 AM
44 Comments:
Isn't the step McCain is doing in the photo something Sammy Davis Jr used to do?
He appears to be channelling former presidential hopeful Alfred E. Newman.
Here's another angle:
http://snurl.com/4eoj8
Here'e the photo that der Standard ran on the front page today:
http://images.derstandard.at/2008/10/16/1220631450981.jpg
When I frist saw this I thought it was photoshopped, but appparently it's not. Wow.
Clickable:
http://images.derstandard.at/2008/10/16/1220631450981.jpg
No, this photo is better:
http://hellotxt.com/l/b0fS
ZOMG I totally didn't see that on MY tee vee!!!! Is that for real?
He got "lost" behind the desk at the end of the debate the same way Bush got "lost" in China trying to find the exit. They both made the same stupid face and dance...
McCain looked like Bush's much older, meaner brother last night....that or we will just call him "Senator Creepy Corpse"...
Good Lord, relax. He was trying to get around the table to greet Bob Scheiffer and they kept moving to opposite sides of each other. He was goofing around about getting to him. Watch the video, for crying out loud. There were plenty of moments to go into kinipshins over -- this wasn't one of them.
McCain was trying to walk around the desk to shake Bob Schieffer's hand. He started by following Obama to stage right (Obama's side), but Schieffer went to stage left. They did a little indecision jig, at the end of which McCain made the funny face, then both McCain and Schieffer went stage left.
It's still a funny photo.
The confusion about where to go also reminded me of Bush's China moment. McCain has followed that same pattern in every debate. He starts out pretty strong and gets tired in the last 30 minutes. You may have noticed he started stumbling in the answers at the end too. He's just old and he loses his focus after an hour.
When he did that little dance thing at the end, I thought at first he might be having a stroke, but by the time he told Obama that he did a good job, it was clear he was just pissed that Obama beat him again.
Clearly, McCain had just gotten a whiff of his Depends...
Clowning. As anon says above, the sort of thing Bush does. Bush? Wait. No wonder we keep confusing them. They are so easy to confuse!
I believe this was right after he said "good job" to Obama four times straight - "Good job. Good job. Good job. Good job."
McCain's tongue appears at the end of the first debate, too. He could be invoking a fierce face like a native wood-carved devil mask, or just unconscious disgust.
It's obvious. John McCain has always rushed to kiss the ass of the guy who beat him in a presidential race. In 2000, he rushed to kiss the ass of the man who slimed him and his family, and he's been kissing Bush's ass ever since.
McCain is just trying to get a head start on his ass kissing.
Interesting...my first visit to the site, I see the header "Blogging to the highest common denominator", and then I see a photo taken completely out of context of McCain joking around about which direction to go and calling it some kind of "spasm". Yeah, that's appealing to the highest common denominator, all right.
Leave this type of distortive nonsense to the Republicans. It's beneath us to stoop to this level.
Your concern is duly noted anon.
hahahahahaha HILARIOUS
Which Merican is wearing a lapel flag? Hmmmmmmm
Well, it's a relief to know that McCain was just clowning around and not suffering a seizure or a really bad bowel spasm. Nonetheless, McCain violated a cardinal rule about TV debate comportment: don't make exaggerrated gestures. McCain rolled his eyes several times (presumably in sarcastic disbelief at Obama's comments). Not a good idea. I'm not sure that would play well even at the municipal level, let alone at a nationally televised presidential debate.
Grace, for a moment, I was genuinely concerned that he was stroking out and I'm also relieved it wasn't that. But I don't think all the grimancing is going to hurt him much. The press will dutifully ignore it since IOKIYAR.
If only they had shown Gore the same deference in 2000, the world would be a different place today.
Dear anonymous concerned-person at 1:11,
Stooping? What stooping?? McCain was struggling with his body language all night. He stuck out his tongue at another time after the debate. Clowning or not, he looks like an immature twit, one in way over his head, and he made numerous expressions inappropriate from a President. That's the true context for this picture.
As for stooping, you'll be able to do it, too, if you just extricate the broomstick from your ass.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if McCain ran for the position of "lovable and eccentric old uncle" but our country has suffered too many blows to the ego to have 4 years of this.
I think it was so hypocritical that McCain would say he disapproved of the comments that Rep. John Lewis made about him and Palin's campaign creating a lot of hate and racism, which is true, when he and Palin have said so many deceitful and derogative things about Obama that they haven't apologized for. Anytime your political supporters start calling your opponent a terrorist, when you know it isn’t true, and they're shouting kill him, and McCain said nothing, then it sounds like he's at a Klu Klux Klan rally. He could have changed the tone of those rallies at every occurrence, if he cared about what was right for all people. He's been so desperate to get votes that he and Palin just abandoned a lot of their integrity. McCain could have changed the tone of those rallies from day one. Once people started complaining about it, then he staged a scenario where the cameras captured him correcting a lady’s racist comment, which was just another hopeless ploy to get votes. Everyone has the right to live and pursue everything that God has compelled them to do. This makes me want to hear that song by Stevie Wonder, This World Was Made For All Men. And one thing we are supposed to do is live respectfully and peacefully with all humanity. Why is it that when two people pursue the same thing sometimes one of the individuals begin to feel enmity toward the other?
America consist of many nationalities, and every time a white man has ran for president of the United States America’s diverse nationalities- Indians, Mexicans, Cubans, Polish, Arabs, Jews, Chinese, Italians, African Americans, Caucasians, and etc. – have supported those candidates on the basis of their ideology. We voted for individuals based on how conscientious and prudent they projected themselves in their impartial concern for all issues facing all Americans. A Caucasian can be elected or cheat his way into office and fuck up terribly, but yet so many people think that the office of presidency is still an impenetrable position reserved for a Caucasian, irrespective of how badly he messes up the lives of countless people, or how he does so without regard to any nationality or political alliance. This election is NOT about voting for a candidate because of his race – it’s about voting for someone who we feel will govern this country with the respect for the well-being of all Americans. I will never vote for a person because of his race, I’ll always vote for a candidate on the basis of his beliefs. McCain’s mean-spirited personality does not qualify him as being the winner of that debate. As a matter of fact, it’s his mean-spirit that frightens me when it comes to foreign diplomacy. I love what Obama said in a meeting today, “That it’s senseless to be attacking each other, when we should be attacking the problems that have diminished the quality of our lives;” in general, joblessness, inflation, foreclosure crisis, healthcare, education, deregulation – all the things that George Bush neglected, which McCain said he agrees with over 96% of the time.
How can McCain blame Obama for associating with one of his alumni professors that committed terrorist acts when Obama was 8 yrs old, when the university saw fit to hire him and keep him? If there was anything to be said about the man, it shouldn’t have been said to Obama. It’s obvious that the university felt that he was an individual with a different mindset, who was no threat to anyone.
There was something I noticed at the second debate at the town hall that I haven’t heard anyone speak about, but it was disturbing to me. When the debate was concluded and the two candidates along with Mrs. Obama walked around the room cordially shaking the hands of the guest that were there, I noticed Cindy McCain walking behind them with her hands behind her back as if she didn’t want to touch anyone there. I didn’t see her shake not one person’s hand. Her body language was quite cold.
its crazy.McCain's wife did not shake ANYBODY?but...why am i suprised?she and her husband dont really need a hand except that of a vote to keep thier ego up.But hes sooooo old, why cant he just rest?or retire somewhere.. i mean he seems a bit fragile the way he walks. probably Palin should brace up for more work...i guess
McCain has no finesse. He knows nothing about acting presidential. I'm not surprised at anything. He spent more time making attacks on Obama than he did on issues. Obama focused on the issues. Obama has been consistent on the issues in all 3 debates. McCain has changed every week lately. There can be only one winner and that is Barack Obama.
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The Impolitic
Blogging to the highest common denominator" You mean the highest common democrat don't you?
It's obvious the people answering this blogs just want to down McCain.
You talk about McCain bringing out about Obama's associations with terrorist then you nitpick over a gesture McCain made! Oh Please!
Yes McCain is older but he has experience which is what we need at this time. Have you forgotten we are in a war??? Our economy isn't our only problem. I for one don't want someone leading our troops or our country who has any ties to terrorist. Seems to me Obabma has surrounded himself with alot of anti Americans through his lifetime.
You don't sit in a church for 20 years listening to a preacher down America and white people if you don't agree with it.
20 years is an awful long time to be sitting there saying... well I don't agree with him but I'll be back next Sunday!!!
And what about his college thesis? Why won't he release what it was about? What's the big deal if he doesn't have anything to hide?
I am neither democrat or republican I vote for the one I feel is the most qualified. I don't care what color or sex that person is either, put Colon Powell or Condoleezza Rice on the ballot and I'll vote for either one of them in a heartbeat, but I won't vote for someone who hides stuff from us, has only 3 years experience, keeps changing his policy(he said he'd have our troops out of Iraq in 2009, them changed it to it will be dictated by the security and safety of the troops and he will refine his policy, in other words... doesn't know when or even have a plan) and can't even put his hand over his heart for the national anthem.
Sorry people but Obama seems to have a track record of not being patriotic and I want a president that cares more about his country then his own life, and that doesn't happen overnight just because you decide to run for president.
I don't like some of the things McCain's campaign is doing either.
Though I do feel the American people have the right to know about any ties to any terrorist that anyone in our government has, especially someone running for president, I don't like the robocalls that McCain's campaign is putting out. They should just keep it to the news and debates.
As far as the news goes, Fox is the only fair one. They have asked Obama to talk to them numerous times but he refuses. ABC, NBC, CBS only show the bad on McCain and the good on Obama. I noticed that back when Oprah joined Obama for a little while.
I know nothing I say here is going to make any difference to most of you I just wanted to have my say.
"Blogger bobbie1988 said...
McCain has no finesse. He knows nothing about acting presidential."
NEWS FLASH BOBBIE1988... Being president isn't acting!!! It's having the guts to stand eye to eye with someone who is threatening our country and saying "YOU WON'T BLACKMAIL US, YOU WON'T THREATEN US, AND IF YOU ATTACK WE'LL FIGHT BACK WITH EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT, NOW DO YOU WANT TO FIGHT OR WORK THIS OUT?"
You know how our presidential candidate's look to us but how do you think they look to the rest of the world? What the other countries do to us is dependent upon what they think they can get away with.
Think I'm kidding? Google "barracks bombing", you'll see that twice our marine barracks we're bombed by suicide bombers and America didn't do a thing about it. Hundreds of American soldiers died in their sleep and we didn't do a thing about it. Is it any wonder they thought they could kill over 3000 people on 911 and we'd let it go?
So you tell me which candidate is more likely to show the rest of the world we won't take another 911???
Not someone who "ACTS PRESIDENTIAL"
but someone who is presidential and not afraid to show anyone who needs it that we are STILL the strongest nation in the world and we won't take being attacked!
correction I meant to say almost 3000 people not over 3000 people.
2966 if you want to know the exact number, not including the terrorists.
McCain is a hothead. I don't want someone pushing the button too quickly. I want someone with a cool head, who develops solid relationships with other countries which Obama has already started doing, very well I might add. A President must look at all options first, evaluate and take in all considerations. Not jump the gun and declare war. McCain is pro-war. Bush went into Iraq saying they were responsible and that they had weapons of destruction. (McCain supported that) He was wrong. I don't want another president like that McCain sang a little song about bombing Iran. Obama wants to talk. I prefer Obama.
The problem with this election is that the media has decided that they should decide the election! There should be no place in a presidential election for media to misconstrue what actually occurs by finding any little guesture of the candidates inorder to mask the messages of the candidates.
Bottom line in this election is whether we are willing to take a chance on electing a person who is not willing to salute our flag, dissmisses our national anthem and is willing to attack our constitutional rights.
And unless Mr. Obama has a really large bank account I'm afraid that He will be asking "you know who" for some money to pay for all of those promises that he has made.
We need to stop thinking that he is some kind of golden boy come to rescue us! He is only one man who will devide us.
WAKE UP AMERICA!
Remember the Pied Piper!
Bobbie1988,
So you want someone for president that comes across to the rest of the world as a wimp that doesn't know his own mind because he keeps changing his policies everytime the wind blows?
If McCain was such a hothead don't you think he would have lost it when he was a prisoner of war in Vietnam instead of making it through 5 1/2 years until release?
Heck he even refused to be released and leave his troops when offered.
His dad was a Navy admiral and they were gonna release him to make themselves look good, but he refused to leave his men.
You think he would press the button to quick? I think he has shown that he values life but at the same time has the guts to stand up to bullies.
My question to everyone here is....
How much do you think the economy or any of the other things that Obama talks about, will be important if we're bombed again, especially if it's a nuclear bomb???
I'm not saying that the economy isn't important, because it is, but living is more important, and being a free nation is more important. I want someone who shows the rest of the world we have the courage to stand up for ourselves, and I just don't believe Obama can do that.
To the American people he looks suave & sophisticated, but to the rest of the world he looks wimpy. I don't believe the rest of the world will take him seriously. I think they'll (especially Iran, Saudi Arabia & Korea) will think they can push him and who knows where that will lead.
I highly doubt I'll be worried about the economy if I'm killed in a nuclear bombing or any other kind of attack.
After 911 we don't have the luxury of believing it won't happen to us, cause we know it can.
McCain wants to make permanent the tax cuts to the rich. He plans to give people 5000 tax credit to buy health insurance, he wants to take 300 billion to pay off mortgages of the people. McCain and the Republicans weren't happy with the 700 billion pay-off so they added another 149 billion on top of that before they'd pass it. He's making promises of billions of dollars at different campaign stops. It's on the news. Who's going to pay all that? Come on be real. And for your info, Obama is patriotic and believes in the American Dream as he talks about all the time. Where've you been? And as far as Ayers, the hippies grew up too. They've all turned into MATURE responsible tax paying adults. The University felt he was nonterroistic enough to hire him as a professor and to put him on that board. Think about it. Obama was 8 yrs old, when Ayers was rebellious, how old was Ayers?Come on!
Bobbie1988,
You said "Bush went into Iraq saying they were responsible and that they had weapons of destruction. (McCain supported that) He was wrong."
I'm ex military as you probably can tell by my constant talk about our troops.
To your comment I'd like to say you don't have any idea what can be hidden. The Iraq dessert is a vast place and though it's been said their isn't any there I wouldn't bet on it!
I agree with you about the talking but have you ever tried to talk to a bully? A bully has to know you mean what you say otherwise it won't do any good.
Do you really think countries that hate the U.S. will talk to or believe someone who has been all over the news changing everything he says?
Think about how you yourself know when someone is telling the truth, you know it by consistency. It doesn't change. When someone is lying it changes.
Other country leaders know this too. They won't believe Obama because they've already seen him change his stories and views many time.
I know what I've said isn't gonna change your mind, I just wanted to give you something to think about, if you will.
I respect your views and thank you for sharing them.
Election only happens every 4 years and its a time when at last we can speak out it dosnt mean we need to go overboard start calling our Canidaits names and spewing threats, including agitating and insinuating they are terrorists that type of behavior only promotes violent people like the jerk yelling kill him. Thanks to one ignorant evil B:t(h so what type of church going christian acts this way and these McCain supporters wonder why his Capaign went to HELL and thank god thats where it belongs and now the people who really care about this country will rise up and take control and Im speaking of Obama hes waited a long time and so have I
Bobbie1988,
"McCain wants to make permanent the tax cuts to the rich. He plans to give people 5000 tax credit to buy health insurance, he wants to take 300 billion to pay off mortgages of the people. McCain and the Republicans weren't happy with the 700 billion pay-off so they added another 149 billion on top of that before they'd pass it. He's making promises of billions of dollars at different campaign stops. It's on the news. Who's going to pay all that?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_of_the_President_of_the_United_States
The president has very little sole control over anything, the president has to get congress approval and congress has to get the president approval, so to blame the economy on the president is unfair.
To expect the president to be able to fix it is unrealistic when you think of all the other people that have to agree.
No matter how good McCains or Obamas plans are it won't do any good if they don't pass congress.
"And for your info, Obama is patriotic and believes in the American Dream as he talks about all the time."
Believing in the American dream and being patriotic are not the same thing.
Believing in the American dream is believing anything is possible, rags to riches sort of thing.
Being patriotic is a Feeling, expressing, or inspired by love for one's country.
such as placing your hand over your heart when the national anthem is played or having the American flag displayed on your plane when you're running for the President of the United States.
"And as far as Ayers, the hippies grew up too. They've all turned into MATURE responsible tax paying adults"
Mature adults regret the impulsive things they did in their youth, Bill Ayers does not. He has shown no remorse for anything he did.Bombing buildings and homes, risking peoples lives, taking the law into his own hands.
The only reason he's not in prison is because he got off on a technicality.
Though I wouldn't exactly say 25 years old is exactly youth, which is how old he was when he founded the weather underground terrorist group.
Though Ayers is a professor at the university of Illinois, the only board I could find him on was the Wood Fund with Obama and yet another known terrorist/professor named Rashaid Khalini comes into the picture.
Obama worked with Rashaid Khalini at the University Of Chicago, serves on Wood Fund board with Bill Ayers.
While on Wood Fund Board, Ayers and Obama give a total of $75,000 to Khalini's wife who is the president of the Arab American Action Network who sent a letter to New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson in which it called a billboard opposing a North Carolina-New Mexico joint initiative to deny driver's licenses to illegal aliens a "bigoted attack on Arabs and Muslims."
Khalini is a harsh critic of Israel, has made statements supportive of Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group.
Khalini even had a fund raiser for Obama, With that connection it's a good bet Israel won't trust Obama and neither will their allies!
Whether Obama is actually friends with these terrorist or not is irrelevant, the other countries know of his numerous associations with terrorist groups and won't trust him. Which will make alot of problems for the U.S. because we have to deal with these countries.
If you would like to check it out for yourself, one of the links I went to is
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=57231
or you can google wood fund + obama.
P.S. I have no idea why these universities have hired known terrorists, but that doesn't mean they've checked them out and declared them good guys.
I wouldn't want my children being instructed by them.
I'm not trying to offend you just offering my opinion and wanted to hear yours.
If you have any links you want to share I'll be happy to check them out.
Well Bobbie is doing a fine job of debunking the McCain supporters that wandered in, so I'll just add that I think it's very sad that those McCain supporters have allowed themselves to be tricked by the GOP's empty talking points and false accusations.
McCain is just another version of Bush, only older and more hot-headed. Bush's policies were rubberstamped by a GOP controlled Congress and spare the silly meme that the Dems were in control for the last two years. It's been less than two for one thing and for another they had a bare majority and the GOP blocked any meaningful change with constant procedural shenanigans.
McCain is a follower is living in the past and will continue Bush's policies. He has based his whole campaign on lies and character assasination. Obama is a leader, who has based his campaign on a vision for the future and will take us in a new direction. Maybe he won't solve everything, but at least we won't be doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result which as I'm sure you all know is the very definition of insanity.
McCain is a follower? Obama is a leader? If that's true please show facts. Show some websites (other then Obama's site) a site that speaks the truth.
At least McCain can stick to what he says even if the public doesn't like it, that shows integrity.
Obama changes his views every time someone objects to what he's said.
It's obvious you just want a pretty boy in a suit instead of a man with a brain and courage running our country!
The quote at the top right of my screne says "If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything. ~Mark Twain "
Hmmm, I wonder why Obama keeps forgetting his views and changing them!
Libby Spencer,
So you want to blame everything on Bush and the GOP in congress?
You need to check your facts dear,
especially about this most recent economy crisis, the 700 billion buyout the American people get to pay for.
Go to:
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/09/25/fox-news-blames-democrats-financial-crisis-bill-clinton-agrees
Here's a little of what it says.
Going very much against the media meme that the current financial crisis is all George W. Bush and the Republicans' fault, Bill Clinton on Thursday told ABC's Chris Cuomo that Democrats for years have been "resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac" (video available here, relevant section at 2:45)
In case you don't remember Clinton was democrat! His own party wouldn't go along with him!
Now we have to pay for it! If we hadn't done the buyout we would have gone into another depression.
I know people who went through the depression and they say it was hell! Practically everything was sanctioned and you had to have tickets to buy it, that's if you had any money. People had to live in cardboard boxes under bridges.
Don't think it could happen again?
People back then didn't think it could happen then.
Both parties have skeletons in their closets and stuff they have to answer for.
But hey if it makes you feel better to blame one person (Bush) or one political party (Republicans) then go for it.
Me, I'd rather look at all the facts and make an objective call on them. At least I'll know I did the best I could to make a knowledgeable decision when I go vote and didn't just pick someone on hearsay or assumptions.
I don't just listen to one or two news station and make a decision from that, I surf the net for hours on end, read newspapers, and check it out to the best of my ability because I want to be as sure as I can be before I open my mouth in a conversation and especially when I go vote.
Maybe you and most of the people on here are afraid to really check out the facts because you're afraid to find out what you believe is wrong.
Either way if you're really sure of what you say you'll back it up with FACTS!
Give me websites where you get your information and I'll go check it out. If I'm wrong I'll apologize on here and could even change my mind on who I'll vote for.
Without facts to back you up you're just shooting crap and you know it!
That goes for everyone on here not just Libby.
LOL. I love you brave anons who are so sure you're right that you're afraid to own your words with an identity. As for this last one, read a week's worth of the blog here and at the Detroit News blog and be sure to read the supporting links as well and then get back to me on the facts.
Anybody who can tell me with a straight face that erratic McCain hasn't flipped his rhetoric every single day according to how the news cycle is going can't really be taken seriously.
Got some websites that have the videos to back it up about McCain?
Try
http://www.foxnews.com/hannitysamerica/index.html
if you want to see Obama change his views in his own words, or are you gonna tell me they're of a look alike whose impersonating him????
Fox has asked Obama to come on and answer some questions but he won't do it.
As for my identity it's just easier to answer this by pressing anonymous at the bottom then to fill out the identity. I quote facts and give websites to prove what I say so what would an identity on this thing change?
Seems to me you're trying to divert the attention because you don't have the facts to back up what you say.
Brave anon poster, you pretend you like to share thoughts and gain new insights. What is your take on that one:
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?page=britt_23_2§ion=library
Seems there should be put an end to some criminal behavior inside government? Or still dreaming about finding WMD sold by Rumsfeld to a then friendly and useful ally?
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