Tuesday, September 07, 2010

Don't count Dem losses before they hatch

The hysteria on the internets about the November elections is getting to me. I've decided to laugh at it instead of letting me annoy me. All this "ZOMG the GOP is going to win big" wailing or chestpounding, depending on one's affiliation, is sort of comical. It's like almost no one has an attention span longer than ten minutes. I mean am I the only one that remembers around this time in 08 polls were showing McCain either leading or really doing well in the polls? It's a fool's game to predict outcomes more than four weeks away from the election. Anything can happen and some inconsequential event, or even important event, can change everything in an instant.

But even if somehow, the Tea Party crazies manage to win some seats, or even a majority this November, in the long run, this will be good for liberals. Some part of me hopes they do win, because once they're in office and the real life effects of their insane rhetoric manifests, it will be the biggest disaster ever and apparently the low info voters need the reminder. Though that's likely to destroy me personally, since I'm already living on the fringe edge of homelessness, the crazies will be marginalized for generations and that will be good for everyone in the years to come.

But I'm not betting on the big GOP sweep just yet. People say a lot of things and polls are so over-weighted these days as to be meaningless. As my favorite pundit Yogi Berra said, "It ain't over, till it's over." That's never been more true.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tea Party crazies?? Name calling just because someone doesn't agree with you.

I also see you refuse to address how some democrats in MI (Oakland County Democratic Party) have had to resign due to fake candidates for the 'Tea Party' and investigations of fraud. If the Democrats didn't see the 'crazies' as a threat then why are they doing some crazy things?

3:35:00 PM  
Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

The so called Tea Party is all about name calling and even calls to violence against individuals and the government.

Don't say it isn't - I've seen the signs they carry and listened to the deluded idiocy -- and of course even most Republicans think they're crazy and misinformed and duped by billionaires like the Koch brothers and Murdoch who control the propaganda and own the think tanks you might think were independent thinkers.

It's a bit arrogant and a bit dishonest to claim that it's all about mere "disagreement" but of course you know that -- and you know that cherry picking some Democrats guilty of something is a distraction and an attempt to deflect a conversation away from something that will be laughed at by history students for centuries to come.

If I and others treat these people with the same disrespect I show to the John Birch Society, the KKK, the Aryan Nation and the dirt bags who picket military funerals and burn Korans, it's from something a bit more fundamental than "disagreement." It's from my love of freedom and justice and yes, from patriotism.

9:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And Capt Fogg, I saw all the signs and calls to violence against the right during the Bush years and even now. I have been called a racist because I don't agree with everything President Obama wants to do or has done.

There are extreme and radical sides to any movement - left and right.

To put an entire group (two actually as you are lumping the Tea Party and Republicans together) and comparing them to the Aryan Nation, the KKK and that darn church that pickets funerals is a bit arrogant and dishonest in my book.

Both sides get people to blindly follow and both sides are guilty of trying to manipulate people.

I know people that are card carrying Democrats, Republicans and now Tea Party members - none of them are crazy but just most are passionate and want to figure what is best for them and their country in the influx of different messages and positions. All (and including myeself) sometimes get caught up in the heat of the moment and said stupid things.

You seem to be ready to condemn a whole group for a actions of a few.

I pointed out the Tea Party in MI to help show that both sides try to manipulate - Democrats trying to get particular people on the ballot in MI and the Republicans doing it with Nadar a few years back (plus various others).

10:40:00 AM  
Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

"I saw all the signs and calls to violence against the right during the Bush years and even now."

Again, the traditional false equivalence you refuse to admit to. Whatever you saw was tiny compared to what's going on now and people were ruined and called traitors for mild criticism while people from this extremist group wave guns, threaten armed violence and carry signs advocating the murder of the president's wife and children. You have a lot of nerve looking for motes in other people's eyes with that lumberyard in yours.

"Impeach Bush" does not balance out "Kill Obama and his ugly kids" and you know it.

2:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Capt Fogg, I'm not referring to the Impeach Bush signs - I'm referring to the Kill Bush signs and graphic pictures and left commentators saying that Cheney's heart should be ripped out and kicked around like a football. I have not false equivalence and it wasn't tiny.

I went to a Tea Party rally to check it out - it was mostly 'Kill the Bill' signs. Not one of them I saw was threatening or even degrading to the President or his family just the policies. Could there have been some there? Probably but as I noted - I didn't see any.

Yes, people were called traitors for questioning Bush/Cheney policies and that was wrong (said it at the time and will say it again). But that is also happening now - you are unpatriotic if you don't want to pay more taxes (Biden's comments) and people are labeled racists if they disagree with President Obama's policies. I don't blame the entire left or democratic party for those incidents.

Both sides are wrong. And just because one side did some version/variation of that doesn't make it right for the other side. But I won't sterotype a whole group because of the actions of a few. We can agrue incident by incident but does that make it right on either side?

3:07:00 PM  
Blogger Litzz11@yahoo.com said...

Some part of me hopes they do win, because once they're in office and the real life effects of their insane rhetoric manifests, it will be the biggest disaster ever and apparently the low info voters need the reminder.

Yeah part of me thinks that and then part of me remembers no one in Amnesiac America can remember what happened 3 months ago let alone 3 years ago. I mean there are people who think Bush wasn't the guy who first asked for TARP and forget McCain wanted to suspend his campaign and sail in to fix Wall Street. There are people who truly don't remember WHEN the economy tanked and are convinced it happened sometime after the Obama inaugural.


3:59:00 PM  
Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

Worse than amnesia is remembering the mote in your neighbor's eye.

I'm sorry, I'm a news hound, I read it all and if someone somewhere advocated violence against Bush - other than "he should be tried for war crimes" I'm not aware of it.

It's another false equivalence and something that's "on both sides" with a ratio of a million to one is not reason to diminish the insanity of one side Vs the other - get it?

If you're not stereotyping just by continuing that "left Vs. Right" thing, than just what are you doing? Both terms are stereotypes but hey - didja forget who killed hundreds of thousands, exciled millions, collapsed the economy and turned a surplus into massive debt while the rich got a whole lot richer and everybody else was left behind and guess who's trying to give us more of the same criminal malfeasance while hiding behind false equivalences?

What the hell have Democrats done to equal that? Cheated on their wives? took bribes? got earmarks for their constituents?

Al Sharpton my ass - what about Dick Cheney? Don Rumsfeld?

5:02:00 PM  
Blogger Libby Spencer said...

Fogg, you seem to have anon well in hand. I have nothing to add to your eloquence.

SoBeale, sadly it's true that the lessons never seem to be learned by those who need to learn the most. It's all denial, transference and obfuscation with that crowd. I of course don't really want to go through the hell of another round of GOP majority. I'm not convinced they're going to win as big as they think in any event.

5:09:00 PM  
Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

I wish it were true, but these people can't afford to give up -- their self-esteem depends on it.

It's an opportunity though, I made over a grand when Clinton won his second term. Something to think about.

Yes, they're all "economists" and big shots and no, the sound at the end of the world won't be a bang or whimper but the giggling of the trolls.

12:48:00 PM  

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