Saturday, July 28, 2007

Arms and The Man

By Libby

The Bush administration appears to have solved the problem of not having enough ready troops to cause permanent conflict quell the chaos in the Middle East. George apparently woke up in the middle of the night, slapped himself upside the head and said, " I know! Let's give all of them guns and see what happens." How else to explain this move?
The Bush administration is preparing to ask Congress to approve an arms sale package for Saudi Arabia and its neighbors that is expected to eventually total $20 billion at a time when some United States officials contend that the Saudis are playing a counterproductive role in Iraq.

The proposed package of advanced weaponry for Saudi Arabia, which includes advanced satellite-guided bombs, upgrades to its fighters and new naval vessels, has made Israel and some of its supporters in Congress nervous. Senior officials who described the package on Friday said they believed that the administration had resolved those concerns, in part by promising Israel $30.4 billion in military aid over the next decade, a significant increase over what Israel has received in the past 10 years.

Yeah that would be the same Saudi Arabia that was the home of the bulk of the 9/11 perps and the very same country we've discovered is aiding and abetting the Sunni insurgency in Iraq. Hard to argue with the logic of that, since there is none. But that's not all. It gets better. We're also arming civilians.
The U.S. military in Iraq is expanding its efforts to recruit and fund armed Sunni residents as local protection forces in order to improve security and promote reconciliation at the neighborhood level, according to senior U.S. commanders.

Within the past month, the U.S. military command in charge of day-to-day operations in Iraq ordered subordinate units to step up creation of the local forces, authorizing commanders to pay the fighters with U.S. emergency funds, reward payments and other monies.

The initiative, which extends to all Iraqis, represents at least a temporary departure from the established U.S. policy of building formally trained security forces under the control of the Iraqi government It also provokes fears within the Shiite-led government that the new Sunni groups will use their arms against it, commanders said.

Gee, you think? And I suppose there's no possibility they might also use them against our troops too. Talk about your pony plans.
Gibbs, commander of the 4th Brigade, 1st Infantry Division, estimates that he needs up to 6,000 new police officers and 18 more police stations in Rasheed. "I am looking for a group of loyal Iraqis who will carry weapons and go after the same people we want," he said in an interview. "We will teach them U.S. rules of engagement and tell them to capture them, not kill them," he said. He said some of the men coming forward may have worked with insurgents in the past in order to survive.

Yeah, and I'm looking to win the Powerball lottery and retire to the Carribean in the next two weeks. That ain't going to happen either. I'm reminded of that old saying that goes something like, shoot anything that moves and let God sort out the dead.

On the upside, Bush won't be stuck with the legacy of having created a quagmire in the Middle East. He can take credit for a full-scale disaster. That sounds so much more macho, doesn't it?

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Blogger dave in boca said...

This mush is rather incoherent and as mean-spirited as most lib-leper offerings, though with a patina of literacy lacking on most other leftard posts.

Basic question: do you actually think the Saudi government had anything to do with 9/11? And are you aware that almost all the so-called "Saudi" participants were of Yemeni heritage? And what that means, given UbL's own Yemeni heritage?

Follow-up question: If we do take some sort of notional "high road" and not sell the Saudis the arms in question, do we simply lose money, or do we also lose some influence & leverage on a country key to the Middle East and Islamic world in general?

And finally: Do you actually labor under the misapprehension that a Democrat administration would NOT do exactly the same transaction with the Saudis, though perhaps with different US defense companies that were more generous to the campaign coffers of the Dhimmi-crat Party?

2:29:00 PM  
Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

Oh great, more wisdom from the mouth of the rat, or is it just fan mail from some flounder? Name calling and self serving conjecture sure make for a brilliant bit of commentary - as usual - and yes, the "so-called" game. Everything is so-called if it's called so, Dave. It's an idiotic tautology said with a sneer, signifying nothing. Do you use it often?

Saudi Arabia didn't exist before 1932, so the "heritage" bit may or may not be red, but it smells like herring anyway. Yes, it's the same Saudi Arabia that practices Wahabbism and Sharia and finances schools to teach it and that opposes our occupation of Iraq and democracy in general. The same Saudis that give bonuses to suicide bomber's families and from whence insurgents are entering Iraq. The guys who tolerate us only because we buy their product and because they have us by the cojones.

As long as we're indulging in the "don't you think" game, don't you think that since Bush friends and associates have made many, many millions in these Saudi arms transactions in the past, that there's something it it for them this time? Not that I think these people are crooks, liars, cheats and traitors - greed is good after all and who cares about National Security or destabilizing the world when there's a buck to be made? Right?

Think old George's ties to the Carlyle Group are a coincidence?

Perhaps handing someone who dislikes you and everything about you a gun so you don't lose influence with him is the kind of wisdom currant in the walled gardens of Boca Raton, or maybe your own tribal ties make you support stupid and lost causes; either way, calling people imbecilic names like "lib-leper" and supporting a president with a disapproval rating within two points of Pol Pot doesn't make you sound brilliant enough to be able to dismiss arguments with a scoff,a sneer, a shrug, a fallacy and an insult.

4:16:00 PM  
Blogger Libby Spencer said...

Well Dave, the only thing I can add to Fogg's brilliant response is, who do you think was responsible for harboring the 9/11 perps? Saddam?

Fogg - thanks. I pale in the light of your brilliance.

6:27:00 PM  
Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

De rien. I wonder if these people read what they write. If everyone they call a far right leftist liberal (I think that's all one word to some of them) really is a far right leftist Liberal, that would make them the largest majority on any subject the US has ever had. So here they are with their dismissive shrugs, trying to make two thirds of the country seem like an insignificant lunatic fringe.

9:58:00 AM  
Blogger Libby Spencer said...

Fogg - It's that cortical dysfunction thing. They simply are unable to process politics with reason and thanks to the internets they don't feel so all alone. In fact, they can raise such a roar in their echo chamber that they FEEL like the majority, even though they've been consigned back to the fringe.

10:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dave in boca- as a result of this "sale" we have agreed to up israels aid. there was absolutely no profit made here. and for someone to at once call someon a "lkibatrd" and defend the wahabi islam state of saudi arabia is obviously ridiculous

12:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"libtard", too

12:38:00 PM  
Blogger Libby Spencer said...

LOL Lester. Thanks for the support.

1:43:00 PM  

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